Today's Topics: 32K or 64K? 4Mb upgrades...please help 80N86 Emulation. <> ATARI SM147 monochrome monitor. Atarians! Where Are You?! Atari developer documentation (2 msgs) Atari HDX Bard's Tale won't work! Copy of 1st Word went bad.... Current TOS version? DELUXE PAINT/GOLDEN IMAGE MOUSE PACKAGE!! I cant get Zoo to work! Looking for LOGO for the ST. Need INFO on Tape backup for MEGA-2 Turboass What to do? (2 msgs) Which are the Roms? Zmodem and UNIX Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jan 92 06:00:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken Badertscher) Subject: 32K or 64K? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu leo@ehviea.ine.philips.nl (Leo de Wit) writes: |mid equ init+32768 |init | lea.l mid,a5 * Use a5 as program text pointer ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not position independant. I think you meant lea mid(pc),a5 | bsr atstart | rts |atstart | ...do stuff here... | jmp atend-mid(a5) | ...etc... |atend | ...do stuff here... | jmp atstart-mid(a5) 64K modules use up 4 registers for segment pointers to get fully position-independant code: stack pointer, frame pointer, data segment pointer and code segment pointer. With 3 scratch registers, that leaves the hapless programmer with one address register for local variables. Less than optimal when the CPU gives you 8 to play with. And... this whole discussion is reminding me of Intel-architecture memory models. Eeeuuw. ;) -- ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) ||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine / | \ #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 09:12:36 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!snorke lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!LRZnews!NewsServ!seibert@arizona.edu (Ewald Seibert) Subject: 4Mb upgrades...please help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , randallm@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Randall) writes: |> |> Can anyone out there recommend a good upgrade 4Mb upgrade for a |> 1040STF (TOS 1.0) ? Many thanks. |> |> Martin Randall |> ______________ Dear Martin The smallest expansion (with 4MBit chips): 4MB 399.- DM 3MB 277.- DM Form: Friedhel Heyer & David Neumann GbR Hardwareentwicklungen Promenadenstr. 50 W-5100 Aachen GERMANY Hope it helps Ewald ============================================================================== seibert@hphalle9.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ist Ewald Seibert, Rheinbergerstr.1 8070 Ingolstadt, 0841-86480 Wir machen SPITZENTECHNOLOGIE, ATARI macht sie preiswert ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 10:50:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.e du!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!opal.cs.tu-berlin.de!gismo@arizona.edu (Gregor-Sebastian Mischke) Subject: 80N86 Emulation. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , esx070@cck.cov.ac.uk (Brevan Miles (esx070)) writes: > Hello out there, > I want to run programs for the IBM PC machines on my ST and as far as > I know there are two ways of doing this. > 1) Use some emulation software such as PC Ditto. > 2) Buy a chip which does the emulation. > I have heard the second option can be bought, but what I want to know is, > How good is it? How easy is it to install? Where can I get it and how > much does it cost? How fast do they run the programs? > If anyone out there has, or has seen such emulators, please let me know what > they are like. Well, I think, you heard about hardware-emulators like vortex-ATonce, AT-Speed, PC-Speed, Supercharger in almost every constellation. The most of these stuff has a processor 80C286 on it, but there is also PC-Speed having a NEC V30-chip on board. Vortex, for example, made a 80C386SX-emulator, with the highest performance about 15.2 Norton-Index, which is a normal AT performance. And the best follows: nearly every program runs on that board, it is very easily installed and also easy in using, for a price about DM 250,-- for a PC-Speed, DM 450,-- (AT-Speed, ATonce), and about DM 700,-- for a 80C386SX. ask your local compu-center for more details. Gregor -- Gregor Mischke Internet: Techn. Universitaet Berlin gismo@cs.tu-berlin.de FB Informatik ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 92 17:46:49 GMT From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu Subject: <> ATARI SM147 monochrome monitor. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ATARI has a new monochrome monitor on it's way for the ST/STE. The SM147 is a 14 inch monitor with tilt/swivil base and stereo sound. The list is $237.95 and is due out in the 2nd quater of this year Mark Santora ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 92 19:47:52 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chi net!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Before people start getting REALLY abusive, please think: isn't it more useful to have a newsgroup where you can get information reasonably efficiently than to let the whole world know that you've told some jerk how wrong he is? Or to let the whole world know that you agree with someone who has, after all, said what needed saying? Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 00:44:06 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard Covert) Subject: Atari developer documentation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan17.075620.6104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mmiller@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Miller) writes: >This is truly a great event in the history of Atari, since the >Tramiels took over anyway. I believe there was such documentation Well this is truly a great thing, it is just a little too late!! There are soo few ST/TT developers left in the USA that I doubt that the release of the ST/TT Notes will help at this point. As for me, please read my article in STR804 (due out next Friday) to see why I won't buy the Atari Devloper Docs pack. It is said that Atari Corp had to wait until the USA market was effectively dead to release developer docs which could have had a BIG impact 4 or 5 years again!! Well, just another example of the poor management at Atari Corp!! -- Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 12:15:09 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!th ink.com!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Atari developer documentation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <10238@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes: > In article <1992Jan17.075620.6104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mmiller@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Miller) writes: > > Well this is truly a great thing, it is just a little too late!! > > There are soo few ST/TT developers left in the USA that I doubt > that the release of the ST/TT Notes will help at this point. > > As for me, please read my article in STR804 (due out next Friday) > to see why I won't buy the Atari Devloper Docs pack. > > It is said that Atari Corp had to wait until the USA market was effectively > dead to release developer docs which could have had a BIG impact 4 > or 5 years again!! > > Well, just another example of the poor management at Atari Corp!! > -- > Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org > CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert Well have a think about this one, they could be bailing out the sinking Ship.! -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 92 19:56:42 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chi net!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Atari HDX To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <52888@cup.portal.com> Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com writes: >Recent info' says they are just finishing the docs, and will be releasing >HDX 5.0 RSN. Should be available on all the services, guessing a couple of >weeks. This sounds reasonable (not that that counts for anything). What with handling ACSI SCSI and ESDI, and trying to take advantage of any special features available, HDX 5.0 is complicated enough to benefit LOTS from documentation. Steve J. saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 10:38:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan Roy) Subject: Bard's Tale won't work! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu - It keeps telling me there's a disk error when it tries to read the - picture disk. I've done a TOS upgrade (to 1.4) since the last - time I ran this. Could someone confirm that TOS 1.4 is the reason - this won't run on my system? If so, does anyone know of a patch - that will allow it run with TOS 1.4? TOS versions above 1.2 won't run Bard's Tale as is for some reason. There is a program by Keith Ledbetter called BARDRAM which copies the first disk into RAM, and runs the program from there. This will allow you to play it on TOS 1.4. Using the same program, but off a hard drive, will allow you to run Bard's Tale on TOS 1.4 and up. (TOS 1.6 in the STe won't work with the RAM disk. Not enough RAM.) -- ||| Jonathan Roy (The Ninja) Internet: as666@cleveland.freenet.edu ||| -- BBS: Darkest Realm - (Down for now) - Public UUCP/Usenet -- / | \ "...make him want to change his name,take him to the cleaners, devastate him, wipe him out, humiliate him." -CHESS GEnie: J.ROY18 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 04:00:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-st ate.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!al885@arizona.edu (Gerard Pinzone) Subject: Copy of 1st Word went bad.... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu My copy of First Word went bad. Where can I get it replaced? Is there a charge?! -- _______ ________ ________ "Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@george.poly.edu ( v ) /______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 10:57:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia .edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!opal.cs.tu-berlin.de!gismo@arizona.e du (Gregor-Sebastian Mischke) Subject: Current TOS version? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan14.132507.15579@syscon.rn.com>, miked@syscon.rn.com (Mike DeMetz) writes: > cjd@zatch.Corp.Sun.COM (Chris Drake) writes: > > >I am planning on resurrecting a rather old 520ST (yep, only 512K), but since I > >have very old ROM's in there I was curious as to the current level of TOS - the > >latest which will run on a 520, if that makes a difference; plus what's changed > >dramatically in the last few years... > > >I assume these are available from Atari? For a price; any ideas on what they > >charge for these things? > > The latest version for 520/1040 is 1.4. Most Atari dealers ;) should have it > for about $70. BEST Electronics is one source. You probably have 1.0. Well, it isn't quiet correct; the latest TOS Release is 2.06 and it's about DM 198,-- , just as the Version 1.04. But there are osme bugs in 1.04, so you should probably get 2.06 made for STEs. don't worry, there's a way installing it on an old ST for sure. look out for some platines, your compu-shop should have it already there ..... Gregor -- Gregor Mischke Internet: Techn. Universitaet Berlin gismo@cs.tu-berlin.de FB Informatik ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 23:40:11 GMT From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu Subject: DELUXE PAINT/GOLDEN IMAGE MOUSE PACKAGE!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu SPECIAL SALE!!!! Just released a package containing the award winning art package DELUXE PAINT ST and the GOLDEN IMAGE MOUSE LIST PRICE $180.00 OUR PRICE $125.00 This price includes all shipping and taxes. This special introductory offer price will not last long. So order today! Mail Order your LYNX games! Having problems finding them? Order them through the mail. New Moon Computing is your connection for all your LYNX, Atari ST, anbd IBM software. All software HEAVLIY discounted. ATARIUSER and THE ALERT BOX are FREE with your order. Write, call voice, or modem us. New Moon Computing PO BOX 922 Matawan NJ, 07747-0662 voice:908-583-7075 Aces High BBS:908-290-1133 1200/2400 baud FNET NON PIRATE BOARD! All Checks should be made out to New Moon Computing. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 07:16:05 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway@arizona.edu Subject: I cant get Zoo to work! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been trying to get Zoo.ttp to work for the last couple of days and even with the recent postings I can't get it to work. I've tried the following with both zoo.ttp and the file zooboy.zoo in the root directory of the a: drive: After I click on zoo.ttp and the the parameter box I tried: x zooboy.zoo x zooboy x [aA]:[\] zooboy[.zoo] In other words, I tried both with and without the .zoo extender on every other option, and I tried both upper and lower case on the drive option, and with and without the backslash. The only thing that happens is that it takes me right back to the GEM desktop. zooboy is supposed to be a graphical interface for zoo but you need to be able to use zoo to unzoo Zooboy!!!!! #@&*%$!! I'd dearly appreciate someone mailing me a way out of this! Thanx, Eric Hohnbaum ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 02:08:03 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh. edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul Stephen Sears) Subject: Looking for LOGO for the ST. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I remember that once, along time ago, Atari used to ship LOGO with the STs. Well, I am now teaching 7th grade Computer Literacy and one of the units that is covered is LOGO. I am looking for a LOGO program, either PD or comercial. Is the version that Atari used to ship now considered PD? If it is, can someone send it to me through email??? Thanks! -- * Paul Sears * Technology *** |"The greater an individual's power * The University of Houston *** | over others, the greater the evil that * RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu * * * | might possibly originate with him." * RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 92 17:08:03 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-s tate.edu!rpi!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Need INFO on Tape backup for MEGA-2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan16.032718.2461@highland.oz.au> colinm@hls0.oz (Colin McDonough) writes: > > I have a Atari MEGA-2 with 40M hard disk box. I need a Tape_backup system to keep the data safe. > No one seems to know too much about this stuff in Aus. but say that there are a few backup systems in the US. > So, if you know more about this than I ( wouldn't be hard ), please let me know what, where and how much etc. by direct email or posting to this newsgroup. > I got my tape backup system from Berkeley Microsystems, P.O. Box 20119, Oakland, CA 94620 (USA). The phone number on their letterhead is (415)547- 2191, but the area code may have been changed. David Beckemeyer did the software for it. It works well. Steve J. saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 03:31:17 GMT From: aahs.no!karloey@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders Oygard) Subject: Turboass To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu mcsun!uknet!edcastle!kev@uunet.uu.net (K S Shea) writes: >Hi - I've been using the TurboAss assembler lately and I'm wondring how to >get it to load in the debugger (which I assume is bugaboo.prg) to avoid >to leave the editor every time I want to test something out. >Any ideas? There should be an option to have TurboAss load bugaboo automatically on startup somewhere in the 'Settings...' menus (At least there is in my copy - v1.7.11). Note that keeping both TurboAss and bugaboo in memory simultaneously is impossible on 512KB ST's and cranky on 1MB's. 2 megs of memory recommended. /Email: Karl A Oygard 'May you live in interesting times!' /Karl Anders Oygard - regd. dev for Atari Norway - ancient Chinese curse ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 01:15:30 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith Sommerville) Subject: What to do? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Have you looked more closely at the HD in your TT? I have the same spec TT as you and the label on the bottom of the TT says 8Mb/40Mb. The drive was partiti- onedi into 4 10Meg partitions. However, looking at it with ICD software revealed tha- t it was it was a 48.5 meg drive. Why do Atari hide something like that, or is it just - a one one off? ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 06:19:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken Badertscher) Subject: What to do? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ksommerville@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Sommerville) writes: |[...] the label on the bottom of the TT says 8Mb/40Mb. |[...] However, looking at it with ICD software revealed that it was a |48.5 meg drive. Why do Atari hide something like that, or is it just - |a one one off? I confess! It's a conspiracy by Atari to steal 8.5 megabytes from you. You caught us red handed. Boy, it's a good thing those nice ICD people are around, or Atari could have stolen millions of megabytes from TT hard disks all over the world. Darn them, anyhow. That rat Tom Harker is always fouling things up for us by making easy-to-use powerful peripherals. We tried putting him out of business with a bizarre high-capacity hard disk scheme, but he just figured out what BGM meant anyhow. Now our plot to keep 8.5 megabytes of each ST157N we sell is foiled. Geeze, we can't get away with anything any more, can we? ...ken p.s. I think if you check again, you'll find that the TTs sold with ST157N 48 meg drives are partitioned 12 megabytes per partition. If not, just use HDX to repartition 'em. The default partition size for the ST157N is 12 meg plus a bit. -- ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) ||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine / | \ #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 92 07:28:19 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway@arizona.edu Subject: Which are the Roms? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -------- I have an old 1040 STf and am looking to buy a set of Tos 1.4 chips, maybe even from someone who is upgrading to 2.06. I opened up a broken 520 STfm only a year or so younger and could not positively identify the Rom chip set. I'd been told that it would either be a 6 or a 2 chip set. I found a 6 chip set under the power supply, but I can't be positive that those are the roms. They are the only chips that are obviously a set and also are the only socketed (not soldered) DIP chips on the board. The only other possibilities would be two square chips with pins on 4 sides surrounded by some plug-in casing. The numbers on the 6 chips are: (the numbers in [] are the ones that differ from chip to chip) First line: C02616[0-5] -001 Second line: RP23256 015[0-5] Third Line 6M3 [either 6D A2 or A8] They are arrayed in 2 rows of 3 diretcly under the power supply I haven't opened my 1040 but it's likely that it will be the same Anyone know for sure where the Rom's are? I'm also looking to buy a set of them, if anyone is looking to sell or knows a good place to buy. Thanx, Eric Hohnbaum ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 92 02:15:22 GMT From: van-bc!jonh.wimsey.bc.ca!jhenders@uunet.uu.net (John Henders) Subject: Zmodem and UNIX To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1992Jan17.151004.9116@ericsson.se>, Louis Lagendijk writes: >>I'm having trouble sending and receiving files using zmodem. Here's my setup: >> >Yes, it looks like your network server messes around with the >data. It either removes or translates certain characters in >either direction. Try kermit with the 7-bit option, and check >whether that helps. If sz on the Sparc is anything like sz on SCO Unix, you have to set the -b flag to force binary. Try sz -h for a list of flags and options. On the same subject, sx on SCO Unix does x and y modem as well, and offers a batch flag, but if I set that, it sends something in the header of the first file that blows up my Y modem batch. Is it trying to do Y modem G? Anyone know details on sz? -- John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca Vancouver,BC or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************